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Stuck In Hawaii D9G Still Wont start!!! Bad Injection Pump????

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4 years 8 months ago #210274 by rmyram
rislone will help unstick the rings if you add a bunch of it to the oil, only thing is the engines has to be running at temp to really help it work.

yes, adding oil to the cylinders may help seal them up, i've seen lots of times where the ether bunny was overused and no compression to start, even on ether. something else you could try instead of ether is some propane vapour fed to the intake. it might help just enough to get the engine running, and isn't as hard on rings and push rods as big snorts of ether.

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4 years 8 months ago #210277 by gvanhouten

Unfortunately stuck rings is usually a terminal event...requiring tear down. Only in the mildest of cases have I been able to get stuck rings operating again. Leak down or compression test will tell the story.

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I am afraid you are right.... Any idea of what the cylinders should register for compression? And it would be easier to do compression test through glow plug port rather then yanking injectors out.... But at this point makes no difference... I am going to go back and pour some oil in her today light weight... and see how much more time I can waste.... If it goes back to the black smoke that tells me its the rings.... I poured straight risilone in her to get that black smoke puffing....Its simple to pull a glow plug and then add some oil to her and light her off....

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4 years 8 months ago #210280 by Old Magnet
Seems we already discussed compression pressures....the 400 - 475 psi seems about right.
This is all the info I have to go by. No body said it was going to be easy!!!!
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4 years 8 months ago #210283 by gvanhouten

Seems we already discussed compression pressures....the 400 - 475 psi seems about right.
This is all the info I have to go by. No body said it was going to be easy!!!!


Old Magnet you are right.... So right... Never easy.... But all the time with the IP and primer pump and everything else.... I could have torn that engine down and rebuild her.... The only problem is I need to drop that belly pan to pull the cylinders.... That thing could easily kill someone and where she is located is beyond tough terrain....

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4 years 8 months ago #210289 by oldbeek
Just looked up diesel compression tester. Harbor freight 0-1000 gage kit. $30.00 should work for at least 1 time. Has lots of adapters. If it does not have a glow plug adapter, I would take a 5/16 -24 cap screw and drill a hole down the center on a lathe and braze a qd to it. Also think it is time to look at compression. Could be why you almost got it to fire then nothing was all the oil you put in the cylinders was adding compression, then it was blown out. Sounds like you are happy with fuel supply.( also on e-bay)

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4 years 8 months ago #210290 by neil
Hi George,
my two cents along with everyone else : ) . Please use or ignore as you see fit!
Definitely put some oil in the cylinders to help with the compression (obviously not an easily repeatable action. I'd investigate how easily you can quickly pull the intake manifold. Not having the air cleaner and such attached during this process wouldn't be a big deal if you had half a dozen nuts holding the manifold on so you could whip it off and re-oil the cylinders).

Since we're covering all bases here, the other thing you could try is to greatly heat the intake air.
There's a starting aid on Perkins and other engines that squirts diesel into the intake manifold and a heater that either lights it or gets it to almost light. You could approximate that with a fine sprayer and light it directing it into the intake manifold, while you crank. You'd need a helper to operate the spray while you crank. This is why having only the intake manifold and not the air cleaner attached would be useful. Test the "flame thrower" before attempting a start so the helper knows what to expect. Don't need much sprayer pressure but more than just a dribble so that hot air reaches the cylinders. If this sounds too wacky, by all means ignore : ) Definitely do not have any ether around this particular method.
Getting the mixture "already" ignited as it goes into the cylinder will further increase your odds of getting cylinder ignition, and that will increase rpm and that's what you need. With greater rpm, the self-sustaining ignition will become more effective especially with sketchy rings.

Quick question; you are jamming the throttle wide open right? It didn't look like as much smoke as I'd have expected. It should be thick and black and white. Jam it open for a bit then close it again.
I reckon it can be made to run as-is, even if ultimately a tear-down is warranted. I'm on my way back to the East Coast from NZ but sadly not stopping in HI.

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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4 years 8 months ago #210291 by Old Magnet

Just looked up diesel compression tester. Harbor freight 0-1000 gage kit. $30.00 should work for at least 1 time. Has lots of adapters. If it does not have a glow plug adapter, I would take a 5/16 -24 cap screw and drill a hole down the center on a lathe and braze a qd to it. Also think it is time to look at compression. Could be why you almost got it to fire then nothing was all the oil you put in the cylinders was adding compression, then it was blown out. Sounds like you are happy with fuel supply.( also on e-bay)


Glow plug hole is 3/8 -24 tpi on these.

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4 years 8 months ago #210293 by gvanhouten

Glow plug hole is 3/8 -24 tpi on these.


Thanks Old magnet....

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4 years 8 months ago #210294 by gvanhouten

Glow plug hole is 3/8 -24 tpi on these.


I have been searching for an injector compression kit for the D353 Engine, Everything that I see is metric not SAE.... Anybody out there know where I can buy it for the glow plug hole not the injector hole? I know I can probably make one but would like something that is not homemade... As I have learned my lesson...

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4 years 8 months ago #210295 by Old Magnet
There is at least one other D9H owner on the big Island. There was a lengthy posting on the "Heavy Equipment Forum" about 2018 I think. Went by the handle "Gary 808" Operator, maintenance, fabricator. Major overhaul of a D9H. I know it's a long shot but you may be able to track him down and contact him. Very knowledgeable source.

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