"gvanhouten" wrote:

Thanks Old Magnet.... I am posting an updated Video of her latest start....

Please find for all interested the latest video showing her trying to start... In my opinion I believe timing is on and we have a lot more smoke then previous videos.... Let me know your thoughts...

Hi, gvanhouten.
I'm no 'ex-spurt' but .................. It seems to me that the smoke is now grey instead of white - which, to my simple mind, indicates that it is trying to fire. So what is stopping it?

1. Have you checked the glow plugs to see if they are working as they should? And ALL of them as it did seem that it was more responsive on one cylinder than the rest of them.

2. Are you getting a good fuel flow at the primary filter?

3. Have you tried NOT using the glow plugs and giving it a shot of ether instead? If you decide to give this a try, I would suggest removing the primary air filter and spraying it onto the secondary air filter in short bursts a couple of seconds apart.

If you have already tried any or all of the above, please feel free to tell me to pull my head in. LOL.

Just my 0.02.

"gvanhouten" wrote:

Please find for all interested the latest video showing her trying to start... In my opinion I believe timing is on and we have a lot more smoke then previous videos.... Let me know your thoughts...

A couple things here for thought... The very first time I started her I got a ton of black smoke that came out for a good while... Prior to me putting her together I put down the prechambers and soaked the rings with Risilone. I put a little mystery oil in her and then went ahead and turned her over by hand with the starter out... When I went to start her you could really here he huffing and puffing better then the video I showed...

The problem is that would appear to be a ring sticking possibly 2 cylinders... I would have a hard time believing more then two but who knows.. Anybody have any better suggestions on what to soak the rings in to have a better start???? I want to get back there as that is what starter her last time but she fell back on her face.... She got good and warm and that what she needs....

I am ruling out the Injection Pump, Transfer pump, glow plugs, injector nozzles, and any air leaks as all gaskets in fuel line have been replaced....
I believe we can rule out fuel supply as it is very steady at the primary filter and through the IP.

Really next step is to perform Compression test and see how many if any cylinders are below standard... Any idea on what the compression on the D353 should be? I am thinking 400-475. I know CAT does not have any specs on her but need to rule out rings or valves loosing compression...

Again, I am confident we are back better then before me messing with her. She is timed better but still is not able to start... The closest is when I put in the Risilone got her good and hot inside the cylinders and she fired off... But quickly died... If I can just get her idling enough maybe just maybe I can pull her out of there.... I believe she should run on 4 cylinders but she is a big engine and might not... Any other suggestions on what to pour down to get those rings unstuck... I believe that is the problem as the risilone and marvel mystery oil helped increased compression but not enough....

I need the gauge to perform the test... I really need the adapter for the injector body or the glow plug adapter.... Any advice here would help....

"Deas wrote:

Hi, gvanhouten.
I'm no 'ex-spurt' but .................. It seems to me that the smoke is now grey instead of white - which, to my simple mind, indicates that it is trying to fire. So what is stopping it?

1. Have you checked the glow plugs to see if they are working as they should? And ALL of them as it did seem that it was more responsive on one cylinder than the rest of them.

2. Are you getting a good fuel flow at the primary filter?

3. Have you tried NOT using the glow plugs and giving it a shot of ether instead? If you decide to give this a try, I would suggest removing the primary air filter and spraying it onto the secondary air filter in short bursts a couple of seconds apart.

If you have already tried any or all of the above, please feel free to tell me to pull my head in. LOL.

Just my 0.02.

Des, Thank you and yes I have tried pretty much all that but the best so far is when I put Risiolone in and it create a ton of black smoke and then was really huffing and started briefly....

Hi, gvanhouten.
Then maybe try the ether and, if she fires up, keep giving her short bursts to keep her running for a while to maybe give her a chance to unstick any stuck rings.

Just my 0.02

"Deas wrote:

Hi, gvanhouten.
Then maybe try the ether and, if she fires up, keep giving her short bursts to keep her running for a while to maybe give her a chance to unstick any stuck rings.

Just my 0.02

When I try the ether it seems just to rattle her not to really fire her up... I did take out the air filter and sprayed some ether and then she goes clanky clank and nothing.... I dont feel it gets in deep enough on the d9g...

Unfortunately stuck rings is usually a terminal event...requiring tear down. Only in the mildest of cases have I been able to get stuck rings operating again. Leak down or compression test will tell the story.

Looks to me like only one and sometimes two cylinders are making smoke, that’s the puff you’re seeing every now and then. I’d think that engine ought to smoke like a village of teepees when cranking cold.

I’m guessing that by putting some oil in the cylinders you raised the compression enough to get some firing. Then as raw diesel washed it down at your first start attempt that oil seal diminished to the point of low compression, back where you started.

Personally, I would yard the nozzles out, squirt a bit of 10 weight oil
in each cylinder, put it together, bleed it and try again. It may take multiple times to get it woke up. The rings might begin to unstick, but don’t be surprised if they don’t.

Good luck, keep at it.

BP.

I agree with Bruce. A few tries with some light oil might be enough to get it going. With some ether to keep it going. Once it gets to firing on all 6 and builds some heat and gets bled out you may be surprised.

Why don’t you try draining out that excess oil? Also, only inject ether while cranking. Ether she will, or ether she won’t!