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D2-5U13753 - master pins - please check my understanding

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2 years 3 months ago #238477 by neil
I'm setting up to drill the mounting holes for the new rollers. The D3 rollers are 5 1/4 in the center section vs. 2 1/2 for the D2 rollers. This means to maintain the same clearance for the rear roller to the sprocket, I need to move the rear D3 roller forward a couple of inches. This takes the effective "wheelbase" of the track frame down from 32 inches (four rollers spaced at 10 1/2 apart) to about 30 (29 1/2). So I'm losing 2 out of 32 inches. What do folks think? I "could" keep a D2 roller on the rear to keep that last two inches. The other thing is that the centerline of the D2 roller is just behind the centerline of the pivot shaft. With the D3 roller in its new position, it's in front of the pivot shaft. I don't have a sense of whether that's critical or not. Here's some photos for comparison:

 

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Neil

Pittsford, NY
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2 years 3 months ago #238478 by Busso20
Hi Neil, I just checked the print out from OM (I think I got from him) on the rear roller says " move rear roller forwards and inch or so" the weight should be ok as the centre of the machine weight will be further towards the spring pack, also remembering the pivot and spring will carry the same load regardless of roller position, therefore all roller would or should carry same weights as long as height is the same across all.Possibly be a little more touchy/responsive on steering as ground contact area (length) is shorter, cheers Jamie

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2 years 3 months ago #238479 by neil
Thanks Jamie, I recall that now too but I thought it was mentioned on General Gear's website - couldn't find it there so I'm glad you were able to point that out. I guess I'll find out if/when I test maximum side to side articulation. Actually, I could probably do the math based on how far the spring can pivot, and the length from the spring perch back to the pivot shaft, and then the radius described by the rear roller towards the sprocket. I think I'll align the back of the 2x1s with the rear of the track frame so that if I need to redrill and position the rear roller, I'll have the option.

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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2 years 3 months ago #238490 by Busso20
HI Neil, Im guessing as long as the roller to sprocket has a room to move that is all you need, I do recall seeing something about measurements on a frame being converted to D3 system, with the bars in place to give the correct height to match front and rear ends.Hopefully some one can repost the picture?

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2 years 3 months ago #238505 by neil
That's what I did, based on the General Gear information. I'm adding a 2x1 bar on the bottom flange of the track frames to space the D3 rolling surface at the same level that the D2 rollers are. My reasoning for moving the rear roller forward 2 1/2 inches was in case the location of the D2 roller center was critical to the sprocket. All the rollers have basically the same OD center section so that might just be a manufacturing consideration and the clearance might be much more than is needed. If the minimum clearance is accomplished by a D3 roller at an inch further forward, then that would suit me fine. I just don't want the sprocket to contact the center section when the frames oscillate

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY
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2 years 3 months ago #238508 by Busso20
Hi Neil, working from your measurements I would say 1.375 inch would bring the centre of the roller to the original position in relation to the drive sprocket, therefore you would have plenty of room as per designs roughly.
cheers Jamie

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2 years 3 months ago - 2 years 3 months ago #238520 by juiceman
Fellow member Charlie Wolleson from CA did one of these roller conversions Neil. I believe he would be able to offer you some pointers. If he shows up at our local show this weekend, I can ask him? I am not sure if he is among us still; Great gentleman, he had an article written up about himself and some of his collection in the magazine. Admirable, as he would drive himself to many local activities, rather than be stagnant. JM
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2 years 3 months ago #238527 by neil
That would be great thanks Gee, much appreciated! I'm ready to start drilling any time now : ) I put the hard word on the machinist to get the pivot shaft done but he holds all the cards. I have several days of welding and messing around (at my slooow rate) before I need it anyway. New bushings from Grainger are on their way. Bought the same ones Toby put in his 5J so the pivoting should be just about perfect when done.

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Neil

Pittsford, NY

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2 years 3 months ago #238559 by Rome K/G
Look in the for sale section, you'll find your track frames.

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2 years 3 months ago #238569 by neil
Thanks Gary, are those the ones on facebook? I can't see them unfortunately as I'm not on that platform. Do they have a contact # to ask about them and are they after 5U13237?

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Neil

Pittsford, NY

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