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Stuck In Hawaii D9G Still Wont start!!! Bad Injection Pump????

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4 years 9 months ago #208672 by Deas Plant.
Replied by Deas Plant. on topic Ty-ming.
Hi, gvanhouten.
As I understand it, when #1 is at TDC for its firing stroke, it will have rocker lash on BOTH rockers while #6 will have rocker lash on the intake but the exhaust rocker on #6 should have no lash as it will be on its exhaust stroke.

I am open to kee-wreck-shun on this as I am only a 'pore, dumb bulldozer operator'.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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4 years 9 months ago #208673 by neil

My father in law and I both have a difficult time believing that someone put on the flywheel wrong but the Rod doesn't lie and there is zero valve lash in that position meaning TC 1&6.

It does happen though so I've heard. When I did my wife's car, that flywheel could also install in any position so I checked twice, and marked it with a marker pen and then had my wife eyeball it too. I struggled to avoid second-guessing myself : )
I wouldn't worry about the flywheel markings at this point until the valve train timing is verified. If the rod and valve positions match up with the flywheel markings, that's great. If they don't, go with the rod and valve positions, and make a mental note to straighten up the flywheel next time you have it removed : ). If the valve positioning doesn't tie in with the rods, then you'll need to check the valve train timing at the gears. Someone will have a spec for what angle the valves start moving with the correct lash so you'll be able to verify that. Fingers crossed that that is correct because rectifying that will require additional disassembly. If it is good, then you can look at adding some marks for the injection timing if necessary

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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4 years 9 months ago #208678 by Andrew
Replied by Andrew on topic Flywheel markings.
The chisel mark on the flywheel as mentioned is on the face of the flywheel and the end face of the crankshaft and not accessible with the clutch or converter fitted . Having come across this before, it seems the marks were randomly done so only line up when original flywheel , crankshaft combination are used . When fitting a replacement crank or flywheel the chisel marks should be ignored and flywheel fitted with the timing marks in the correct position with the crank.
I have found it good practice when assembling engines, to not assume the marks, whether on flywheel or timing gears , are correct .

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4 years 9 months ago #208683 by ccjersey
Only two timing marks on a CAT flywheel would fit 2 or 4 cylinders if they are 180 degrees apart.........even if the marks are 120 degrees apart, no way those old engines would have just 1-6 and 3-4 because the marks are used to set the fuel pump lifters so obviously something's missing.

You can accurately create marks with a dial indicator set up on a rod like you were using to eyeball the piston positions. You turn the crank to max piston height and scribe a temporary mark on flywheel. Then you go past TDC and turn crank back to max piston height and scribe another temporary mark. Then you scribe a permanent mark half way between the two temporary marks.

I hope if you clean the flywheel really well you will find the missing mark.

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4 years 9 months ago #208686 by oldbeek
There is a TC 2-5 mark on that flywheel. You are just not seeing it.

Cat 12 grader, 8T6995 running and restoring, Cat 12 grader 9K3585. parts machine, Adams leaning wheel Pull grader Mod # 22, ser#438

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4 years 9 months ago #208701 by gvanhouten

Only two timing marks on a CAT flywheel would fit 2 or 4 cylinders if they are 180 degrees apart.........even if the marks are 120 degrees apart, no way those old engines would have just 1-6 and 3-4 because the marks are used to set the fuel pump lifters so obviously something's missing.

You can accurately create marks with a dial indicator set up on a rod like you were using to eyeball the piston positions. You turn the crank to max piston height and scribe a temporary mark on flywheel. Then you go past TDC and turn crank back to max piston height and scribe another temporary mark. Then you scribe a permanent mark half way between the two temporary marks.

I hope if you clean the flywheel really well you will find the missing mark.


Ok well that makes a lot more sense that it is used to set timing on the Injection pump lifters makes its much easier... I guess I need to go back and really clean the fly wheel to find the other two marks... None the less the flywheel was not put on correctly as 3 & 4 is now 1&6. 3 & 4 I believe is 2&5. and therefor 2&5 would be now 3&4..... Thank you for the clarification... The Service book states to use tc but does not mention the marks for all 6 cylinders are located on the flywheel.....

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4 years 9 months ago #208710 by kracked1
As old magnet said. With no valve lash you are on exhaust tdc, not compression tdc.

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4 years 9 months ago #208717 by tctractors
The important thing here is to make sure you are turning the engine over Clockwise from looking directly at the fan, I always use the engine turning tool that fits in the starter hole, the Flywheel being out is a pain but you have been instructed on how to set your own marks, this involved making 2 marks and bisecting these marks to find TDC, with TDC located you can then check the valve timing also the pump timing, I best wish you lots of luck and stick at it. tctractors

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4 years 9 months ago #208747 by gvanhouten

The important thing here is to make sure you are turning the engine over Clockwise from looking directly at the fan, I always use the engine turning tool that fits in the starter hole, the Flywheel being out is a pain but you have been instructed on how to set your own marks, this involved making 2 marks and bisecting these marks to find TDC, with TDC located you can then check the valve timing also the pump timing, I best wish you lots of luck and stick at it. tctractors


I need to get the turning tool as bumping the starter is a pain. Anybody out there have a part number would be great or even better know an online store to purchase

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4 years 9 months ago #208754 by oldbeek
I am not familiar with this exact machine. Is there any way to turn this engine other than the turning tool that fits in the starter hole. This procedure can't be done with the starter.

Cat 12 grader, 8T6995 running and restoring, Cat 12 grader 9K3585. parts machine, Adams leaning wheel Pull grader Mod # 22, ser#438

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