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Caterpillar Twenty Two electric starter options?

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2 years 1 month ago #240083 by GrantJ
I recently watched several Youtube videos on starting gas Cats and almost every one did it wrong. I used to use both hands and get the old beast spinning. I was lucky that I didnt get hurt. I finally read the operators manual and it says to put your right hand on the radiator side and pull the crank thru the top. It keeps your chin far away from any potential spinning crank. My mag is rebuilt and I can hear the mag coupler snap so I know it is working, so I sometimes wonder why I did not get a kickback. Dumb Luck. Grant.

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1 year 11 months ago #241075 by tkgeorge99
I'm new to the forum and old cats but I was given a cat 22 that has sat out in the woods for 25 years. I have been able to get it started and am in process of getting it working again. I am also interested in an alternative starting method to the crank. I was starting it about 2 weeks ago and I'm not sure what happened, since event is pretty fuzzy, but short story is that crank kicked back somehow and broke my nose and necessitated 13 stiches. So I am less excited about the crank start. It was definitely a learning experience! But I am just glad my eyes and teeth were ok.
I will pull off the plate and look at the flywheel but I'm guessing probably no ring gear. I like the picture of the gear on the starting crank with a chain drive to starter motor. Could the person who posted it possibly give a bit more info on it. Like how much torque is needed and what type of starter or is it just an electric motor with a sprag clutch? The cat will fire up after a few cranks but I am understandably gun shy now. I have been wearing a helmet while cranking!
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1 year 11 months ago #241078 by neil
That's amazing that it started after sitting out for 25 years - good on you for getting it going. I'm sorry to hear about your injuries. Here's some feedback that might be useful.
The reason it kicked back is because the mag fired too early. This can be due to the impulse not working correctly, or it's not correctly timed. Attend to this because regardless of how you start the engine, you do not want it kicking back, and if you do crank by hand, you will be safe. Also verify that the crank handle end's rotating sheath rotates freely, if it has one. What that does is if the engine backfires, that sheath rotates out of your hand without yanking the skin on your fingers.
But it's also important to make sure you use a good technique, both to avoid potential kickback, and also to save your back. Some people swear there's only one way to do it, but it depends on your capability in my view. I crank in a way that some would object to, because it suits my level of athleticism : ). In any case, a safe method is to pull the crank handle over the top, with your other hand resting on the radiator top, and all of your digits (meaning all, including your thumb) on the topside of the crank handle. Release the handle and continue moving your hand away after pulling over the top of compression. You will not be hit, no matter what the engine does.
You probably have your mind made up but I'd still recommend you do all those things rather than rigging up some possibly more dangerous arrangement. The ones I've seen are not guarded and look like death traps for little fingers. Of course they can be guarded, but they weren't.

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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1 year 11 months ago #241081 by tkgeorge99
Thanks for the input. I'm not really sure there was even a back fire, I could have been at top dead center and the crank and cam both flopped over and it just spun around. I was trying to spin it too much. I feel like it was probably operator error. After incident I looked at owners manual and it describes that way you do. But I am still hesitant, it was quite a hit and my face can't take another. no sheath on crank, I think its not stock and something that someone just welded on.
Its been a super enjoyable activity to work on the cat 22, except for getting walloped in the face. It was given to me by neighbor who said it "ran when parked" 25 years ago. It was left in gear, so I had to get it unstuck and back into neutral. I clean and gaped plugs, checked oil, cleaned gas tank, and added new fuel. I was first able to get it to run with lots of cranking, too much probably, on the priming fuel. I then pulled carb, it was full of rust and very corroded. I gave it a major cleaning and then I could get machine to run and idle but not throttle up. It didn't want to shift into gears with clutch in, so we started it a few time in gear with clutch in and let it move a little. Eventually the clutch plate let loose and I can now start it in neutral and shift into the gears. It moves but almost dies in gear because of low rpms. I have sent carb out for professional rebuild as I can t seem to get main jet fuel. Its been a bit tricky as its a 5 min walk out into the woods to get to it. It has a bulldozer blade and the hydraulics are working! I burst a hose but replaced it and the blade goes up and down. It has a huge PTO winch off the back for dragging logs. The road it cut in 25 years ago has 6" trees on it so I have chain sawed a path out for it. So I am hoping as soon as the carb comes back, I can drive it out of woods and to the shop for further evaluation. I think its a 1937. So its pretty awesome to think that this machine thats 85 years old and has sat for 25 years is now running and moving and soon will be put back to work. I really liked the crank aspect of it until it kicked me in the face.

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1 year 11 months ago #241082 by tkgeorge99
 

This is my machine
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1 year 11 months ago #241089 by dpendzic
My R2 had a blade also and i found it difficult to start standing between the blade and crank- I usually started it standing with one foot on the blade brace and using the other foot on a down push on the crank---this worked for me but not recommending it!!

D2, D3, D4, D6, 941B, Cat 15
Hancock Ma and Moriches NY

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1 year 11 months ago #241090 by juiceman
That's a cute little 22 dozer. Thanks for sharing your photo and "incident". Perhaps we can all learn from others. I see a Berglund dealers decal on you tractor, are you from N. California? That was the dealer way back in the day around Ukiah, CA I believe. JM

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1 year 11 months ago #241091 by tkgeorge99
Yep. Dozer is located near placerville in foothills of Sierra. all advice is appreciated and I shared my story to remind new guys like myself that a crank start is cool and nostalgic but in a matter of less than a second it can turn ugly.

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1 year 11 months ago #241094 by neil
very nice looking unit. What is the brand and model of winch on the back? My cousin's Twenty-Two supposedly had a logging winch on it but it didn't have anything when we picked it up. A carcass that we picked up a PTO from had a two-row sprocket on the end of the PTO shaft which some say was used to power the winch. Would you be able to get some close-up photos of the winch and its arrangement? Thanks!

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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