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D4 pony is acting like a dog

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3 years 10 months ago #223407 by trainzkid88
here's another tip to improve spark on any magneto.

clean the mounting surfaces spotlessly clean and degrease with methylated spirits or electrical contact cleaner

get 2B pencil and rub it all over the mounting areas and reassemble this will put a fine coating of conductive graphite on the surface improving its contact and the return path to the magneto. blow off any excess with your breath. this is why any gaskets or spacers for magnetos should be metal such as shim brass.
(current path is from mag to plug wire to plug core to plug body to motor casting back to the mag)

you can also rub the pencil LIGHTLY on the plug terminal and on the plug and head seat mating surfaces ONLY.

DONT get it anywhere else or the plug wont fire.

this works well, I have done it on stationary engines an old mechanic showed me
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3 years 10 months ago #223417 by Mangoman
Very intersting tip trainkidz. I will keep that in mind.
So I was excited to try my pony out before the weekend so I put it all back together this afternoon and it still doesnt run worth a hoot. I have avoided gasoline like the plague and now its biting me in the butt. So what happens is that it coughs hard if I open the throttle fully. I have to ease into it to minimize the hesitation. It wont pull rated RPM driving the main under compression. I can see it is not the governor holding it out. It seems to be a carb issue. Ideas? Thank you very much in advance!

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3 years 10 months ago - 3 years 10 months ago #223418 by Mike Meyer
My D2 5U pony started doing that a year ago, one day running sweet, the next day unable to get up to high idle, and certainly not able to crank the main under compression, I've tried everything, new fuel, triple flushed the fuel lines in both directions, new plugs, new wires, swapped wires, swapped in another good maggy, triple checked timing, swapped in another carb, tried squirting raw gas down the throat while the motor was running, pulled the heads to check the valves, and compression which was within 2 or 3 pounds of each other, even had our inhouse expert on everything "BruceOz" have a look for a few hours, he couldn't solve it either.

A top Cat Mechanic buddy suggested it's possible the valve lash has closed up on a cylinder, and that issue shows up worse as RPM increase, or attempt to increase, I haven't time to pull that pony yet, but what I do is open #2 cylinder head pet cock as the motor is idling trying to pick up speed, and that seems to help clear the motor so it can get going, it's still not right, but I can put up with it for now, #2 seems to be the problem cylinder on my pony.

I need to pull that pony motor one day anyway, I know the rear oil seal is shot, and there is some old scoring in the bore of #1 cylinder, the compression from memory was in the 60's, which is plenty, your issue sure sounds like a fuel problem.
Good luck
Mike
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3 years 10 months ago #223419 by kittyman1

Very intersting tip trainkidz. I will keep that in mind.
So I was excited to try my pony out before the weekend so I put it all back together this afternoon and it still doesnt run worth a hoot. I have avoided gasoline like the plague and now its biting me in the butt. So what happens is that it coughs hard if I open the throttle fully. I have to ease into it to minimize the hesitation. It wont pull rated RPM driving the main under compression. I can see it is not the governor holding it out. It seems to be a carb issue. Ideas? Thank you very much in advance!


-why are you avoiding gasoline??

-a gasoline engine coughing, especially back thru the intake tract....is a huge red flag....too lean....or too cold yet....
-are you letting pony warm up some...esp since it's November and cooling...

-not pulling a load at rated RPM....also a sign of leanness...power takes fuel...no getting around that..

Greatest Lie told to mankind: just give us 2 weeks to flatten the curve!

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3 years 10 months ago #223422 by daron
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Have you tried choking it while it's under load?

Just wondering, Daron

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3 years 10 months ago #223424 by Mangoman
Mr Pouce Coupe,

Maybe I will try dialing the main passage screw. Allow it to draw a little more fuel. See how it goes. I appreciate the simplicity of diesel. It is an exact amount of fuel injected and no ignition. I've had around 15 diesel vehicles and three gassers. Never had much appreciation for them but I suppose now is a good time to learn!

Daron,

Yes I did try choking but didnt help.

Dang thing starts right up nicely and idles well. Just stumbles when you crack the whip and labours in an attempt to bring the main to proper cranking speed. I had a brief taste of it running well and I want that back!

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3 years 10 months ago #223426 by neil
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As well as fuel starvation under load, I'd also suspect ignition unable to support high rpm running. If you have the opportunity to drop in a different mag, wires, and plugs, it would be worth the 30 minutes to see if any of it is implicated.

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY
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3 years 10 months ago #223430 by Mangoman
Thanks for the suggestion Niel. I did run it on my Bosch mag and it seemed about the same. Has new solid core wires and I tried it with new NGK AB6 plugs yesterday and it didnt make a lick of difference. Not sure how legit of test it is, but the manual says to hold the lead 1/8" from ground. It jumped it no problem with a fairly lazy tug on the cord. Hmmm....

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3 years 10 months ago #223431 by Ray54
Replied by Ray54 on topic D4 pony is acting like a dog
-a gasoline engine coughing, especially back thru the intake tract....is a huge red flag....too lean....or too cold yet....
-are you letting pony warm up some...esp since it's November and cooling...

-not pulling a load at rated RPM....also a sign of leanness...power takes fuel...no getting around that..[/quote]

New board is not so helpful since it hides your location until you click the right spot, but Mikey is down under so it is springtime and never the cold white stuff like in the north. That is the trouble with this international community you cannot over generalize. But still the mystery of the pony, they can be such devils to get right sometimes.

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3 years 10 months ago #223432 by neil
Replied by neil on topic D4 pony is acting like a dog
Ok good that's a positive test done. Do you have access to another known good carb? That would be a second test to conduct. Someone might be able to post you one to try temporarily. I could - it'd be coming from NY so it could be a bit pricey

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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