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1937 RD4 Pony Motor starting issues

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4 years 4 months ago #216877 by ccjersey
Do you mind posting the info on your spark tester? I seem to have more and more trouble seeing a spark jumping a plug gap. Plus, many small engines have hardly enough plug lead length and room to even put a plug in it when it’s not screwed into the cylinder.

D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time:D

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4 years 4 months ago #216907 by neil
There's a couple of really good places that rebuild mags - they come back looking like new. The one I've used twice is Mainely Magnetos in ME. You'd swear my RC-2Q was brand new off the shelf, and it worked exactly like the book said.

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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4 years 4 months ago #216923 by Mike Meyer

There's a couple of really good places that rebuild mags - they come back looking like new. The one I've used twice is Mainely Magnetos in ME. You'd swear my RC-2Q was brand new off the shelf, and it worked exactly like the book said.


How much did they charge to do your mag Neil, and what did they do, like was the coil rewound, and the armature too? It's almost a year since we enjoyed lunch together at Niagara Falls, hope you are going well!!

One thing that confuses me about the problem we are helping fix is the mag was supposedly serviced and tested already by a respected mag guy wasn't it?
Thanks
Mike

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4 years 4 months ago #216931 by neil
Going well thanks Mike and I trust you are too. Lunch in Niagara seems a lot longer ago than that - must have been busy since then! : ) At the time it was 375 for the overhaul. That was in about 2014 I want to say. Probably gone up a bit since then. Steve replaced the consumables such as the capacitor and points, and the cap, and he tested the coil and checked the strength of the magnet I think (can't really remember). I think the armature shaft was replaced as it was bent.
Regarding the current issue, it probably wouldn't hurt too much to have a second pair of eyes with expertise look at it, although I'd first make sure I had new plugs and wires, and confirm that the mag is adequately grounded to the engine. I scraped the paint off the area that the nuts tightened on to make sure I had good continuity, and I also checked without the grounding switch connected. I have an OTC plug tester and it's fat and blue.

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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4 years 4 months ago #216932 by bursitis
i had similar problems on my D4 pony. all went away when i replaced the spark plugs. also check to make sure that a mud wasp hasn't plugged your intake.

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4 years 4 months ago #217694 by Jake1991
Spoiler alert. IT RUNS!!!!

I have been busy at work for the last 2 weeks, and finally got back to it yesterday. My father and a friend's father-in-law of his that owns a 7J D2 came out. He brought with him a spare mag and a spare carb/venturi setup. The other mag was a WICO XH 1907. That is the direct replacement for the Eisemann RC-2H. Anyways, we put that on, and it would now cough and sputter, but still not run. We swapped the carb/venturi setup, and same thing. At this point, I am starting to get really frustrated, thinking that it has to be something stupidly simple that I have overlooked....

So at some point since this pony ran last, (probably 15-20 years ago,) someone put a new intake manifold on the diesel engine. According to my parts book, and the pictures of other RD4s I have seen online, the pony motor exhaust should blow right out the side of the engine. This is not the case. The diesel engine has a NEWER intake manifold on it that is designed like a tube-and-shell heat exchanger to preheat the diesel intake air charge with pony motor exhaust. This obviously requires a different exhaust pipe for the pony that was on it. Well, when someone did the transition, they did not open the other end of the intake manifold up and put the rest of the exhaust on for the pony, so essentially the exhaust was dead headed....

When I first discovered this, we couldn't believe it, so we pulled the exhaust pipe off the pony, and tried firing it. It started right up, no questions asked. Fast forward an hour, and we had removed the plug when the exhaust from the pony should exit the intake manifold for the diesel engine, and put everything back together with the exception of still using the WICO mag instead of the Eisemann. The thing fired right up and purred like a kitten at idle and higher RPM.

I will attach pictures of the intake manifold that that is on the diesel showing the plug we had to drill out. My next job, (probably next weekend,) will be to swap back to the Eisemann mag to see if that will run the pony motor, or if there is still a problem there, because withe the WICO, it was coughing even with the exhaust plugged up, when the Eisemann was doing nothing.

I sure hope this helps anyone else who is having pony motor problems. There has been a HUGE amount of information put into this thread by lots of very knowledgeable people. I will keep people updated on how the project goes. All the fluids and filters are going to get checked, changed and cleaned before I fire the diesel up and drive it out of the shop for the first time in 5 years.


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4 years 4 months ago #217730 by neil
Good deal Jake. The first time I saw the manifold like that, I thought that the owner had lost a frost plug. But once he started teh pony, I got the picture : )

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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4 years 4 months ago #217756 by edb
Replied by edb on topic Well Now
Hi Jake,
to the best of my knowledge there is no other outlet for the pony exhaust on that style manifold--the elbow at the radiator end of the manifold is for the Diesel engine air inlet and where the Diesel engine air cleaner system bots on--The inner pipe/inlet manifold is separated from the pony exhaust and so receives its pony exhaust heat assist for easier starting, but is separate from the Diesel Inlet manifold so the pony exhaust does not contaminate the incoming Diesel filtered air.

They likely thought that dirty air was getting into the diesel engine and blocked it off--pony likely never ran again and the Diesel was started by towing. Parts Book says 3 L-2288 Plugs--2 others are around on the back side of the manifold from memory.
Left field issue caused by the unknowing. Well Done those men for sorting it out and, thanks for coming back to tell us your finding as it adds to the list of oddball issues.
Cheers,
Eddie B.

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