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D7 17a

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2 years 11 months ago #231793 by Mike Meyer
Replied by Mike Meyer on topic D7 17a

Great thread, keep it coming! She’s a grand old lady. Wish I could save something that big!

Tony, I'm sure Mrs Deebo would love to see a big dirty ol D7 taking up her parking spot in the garage, alongside that dead D4 you dragged in there a few years ago....... LOL

I agree with you too, a D7 would be nice to own, but you need somewhere with plenty of space where you can give it a regular flogging, just ask John Gaunt about that.
 

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2 years 11 months ago #231809 by Dieselholic92
Replied by Dieselholic92 on topic D7 17a
Also, I have been looking for one of these. Cat Tool 4H8765. If I don’t find one it’s not a big deal, I’ll just have Cat press out the master pins. If anyone has one they would like to part with, I would be more than happy to buy.  

D4 5T, D6 2H, D6 9U, D7 17A, No. 12 70D, 12E, 922B, 922B

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2 years 11 months ago #231811 by Dieselholic92
Replied by Dieselholic92 on topic D7 17a
So I was going to try to get the pony motor running again. I pulled the air cleaner apart and the oil was pretty clean. So I cleaned the top of the pony motor off, pulled the plugs out, and filled the cylinders with JB80. I was going to put a battery in it, but I ended up breaking off the positive battery cable. 

         

D4 5T, D6 2H, D6 9U, D7 17A, No. 12 70D, 12E, 922B, 922B

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2 years 11 months ago #231886 by Dieselholic92
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I don't know if anyone else needs this, but I did get these drafts from the Cat dealer for Cat Tool 4H8765.


 

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D4 5T, D6 2H, D6 9U, D7 17A, No. 12 70D, 12E, 922B, 922B

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2 years 11 months ago #231904 by edb
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Hi Team,
I believe that is the 4H8765 track pin removal tool group as below.
Thanks and Cheers,
Eddie B.
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2 years 11 months ago #231908 by neil
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There seems to be an extra pin or something in the drawings 5H2176 - that doesn't seem to be in the picture of 4H8765 unless it's behind driver pin 4H8766? Does the small protrusion on 5H2176 fit into a recess in the track pin?

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Neil

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2 years 11 months ago - 2 years 11 months ago #231921 by edb
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Hi Team,
the pin with the tapered extension piece would be for driving out the tapered plug type master pins after the plugs have been removed. The protrusion would be a loose fit in the end of the master pin and simply used to keep things aligned is my guess.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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2 years 11 months ago #231922 by neil
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I'm going to take these drawings down to my guy and get him to make it. I have a 5U where those pins are loose, and a 3J and a 4U that I haven't moved the tapered plug pins from so this would be just the ticket

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Neil

Pittsford, NY

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2 years 11 months ago - 2 years 11 months ago #231924 by neil
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(Sorry for hijacking the post).
I have a question for anyone that knows how to interpret the drawings. On the drawing for 5H2176 with the tapered protrusion, the end view shows a diameter for the tapered piece of .990 and .988 (so 2 thou difference). Is that the diameter at the gage line indicated, or at the tip (minus the chamfer)? I think it's the gage line which means from there, it tapers thinner at 5/8 per foot.
For the 1/4 between the gage line and the 1 1/2 in end of the main shaft, does the taper continure for another 1/8 until it enters the radius? When it says "do not center this end", does it mean to not put a "divot" in the end for like a Morse taper?
For this tool, since its diameter is 1 3/4, it's not intended to fit into the sleeve, so I'd guess that it is intended for installation of the pin, not removal?

For the 4H8770 which is the tube that the pin fits into, it doesn't show the diameter, but it obviously needs to have an ID bigger than the driver that fits into it. How much total clearance would folks give for the ID, given that the 4H8766 drawing seems to show a 1.210 to 1.220 diameter if I'm reading it correctly? Would 005 be enough to slide easily but not wobble? The tube looks to have a 1/8 wall thickness and I'd think a piece of DOM would suit?
The actual diameters I'd need to modify to suit the D2 pins which are 1.125 whereas it looks like the 17A has 1.250 pins but the clearance could probably be the same.
I'll take measurements from the D2 this weekend to adjust the drawing dimensions as appropriate.

Dieselholic, could you tell me what the text says about the use of the tool. Is the 5H2176 just for installing the master pin, and does the pilot fit in a tapered plug pin? __PRESENT

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Neil

Pittsford, NY
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2 years 11 months ago - 2 years 11 months ago #231928 by trainzkid88
Replied by trainzkid88 on topic D7 17a
yes i would assume it means don't cut a centering dimple in that end of the shaft. probably so it wouldn't deform in use.

5 thou is a bit neat i would say 10 to 15 thou giving a 5 thou or so all round would be a better clearance remember the shaft will deform due to impact force and you don't want it to jamb.
making things too neat can bite you in the arse later i know from personal experience.

normally when making machinery we would use a 1/64th or 1/32nd clearance on most bolts and pins yes it a lot in 2 pieces of 1/2 plate but when you get some thing 4 inches thick its not much.
yes drawn pipe would work you would probably have to buy heavy wall so it could be machined to final size it may be cheaper/easier to start with hollow bar and machine what you need.
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