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D4 7j fuel pressure

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3 years 5 months ago #227087 by neil
Replied by neil on topic D4 7j fuel pressure
Righto, sounds good on the spring. So just a new plunger then. If you run a wire brush up there on the end of your drill, you can check that the seat is clean enough for use. If it has significant rusting, you might need to send it to your machinist to get the seat cleaned up (or try with your twist drill bit of that size first). We're assuming that the gears are intact and turning but that's ok because you needed to do the relief valve anyway so hold off pulling off the pump until you've tested it with the new plunger. I actually have a hard nylon plunger in my 5U which I wouldn't have thought would have been enough to seal but apparently it's enough to run the tractor, even under power. Was surprised by that.

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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3 years 5 months ago #227104 by edb
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Hi DC,
as we had no S/No beyond the 7J, my Parts Book for 7J5104 to 7J9999 and 2T1 shows a transfer pump similar to that I described and scan above now removed re-your pictures. I took a punt and lost it seems.
I can see similar units to your pictures as is fitted to the 4G D4.
Cheers,
Eddie B.

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3 years 5 months ago #227106 by Old Magnet
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More bogus information. That's what you get when you don't provide a s/n. The pump your showing is not the correct unit for 7J102. What you have is from a 4G D4. They will interchange and neither uses the plastic or phenolic plunger like later models. The plunger is steel in these early units. Best get yourself a correct parts book.

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3 years 5 months ago #227109 by dieselcowboy
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I'm not exactly sure what a 4G D4 is. So has someone replaced the pump on mine ?  Is there a way to call some of you fellas?  I find it hard to describe and learn just typing. And you are correct my complete serial is 7J102WSP

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3 years 5 months ago #227110 by neil
Replied by neil on topic D4 7j fuel pressure
Maybe - is that serial number from the rear of the engine block, or from the rear of the transmission case above the hitch? If it's from the engine block, then Eddie's saying that the pump is not an original type for your engine, but it will fit, and that, unlike what I wrote, the plunger is steel. Since that's the case, can you inspect your steel plunger for its condition. If it's in good shape, then it might be reusable. It needs to provide a good seal against the seat so the pump can make pressure but it also needs to be free to move back against the spring to relieve pressure above a certain amount - I won't guess at what that is but I'm sure Eddie knows. You might be lucky and by removing the plunger and spring released some crud trapped in there. Take a really good look up in at the seat with a bright light.
If the serial on the engine is 4G something, then they may have fitted a whole 'nuther engine onto the transmission (if that's a go between a 4G and 7J - I don't know. It is between plenty of other series of tractors)
(A 4G is an earlier series of D4 than your 7J series. It's usual to refer to a series by the first two characters in the serial number. Yours is a 7J D4, mine is a 5U D2, with the full serial being 5U13753)

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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3 years 5 months ago - 3 years 5 months ago #227111 by dieselcowboy
Replied by dieselcowboy on topic D4 7j fuel pressure
Here is block and rear end tags 
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Last edit: 3 years 5 months ago by dieselcowboy. Reason: More pics

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3 years 5 months ago #227112 by d2gary
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I wonder since its such an early 7j serial number if Cat didn't exhaust its supply of 4g pumps before it changed over to what would be used as 7j. I think some more serial number investigation might clear it up. Sorry my books don't go back that far.

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3 years 5 months ago #227123 by neil
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Great point Scott - that's happened more than once or twice. DC, let's see if what you have can be made workable easily. It might be just a matter of cleaning up the plunger and seat some. My 5U's situation is not flash but it makes enough pressure to run at full power so that's all I need. Might work out the same for you.

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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3 years 5 months ago #227127 by dieselcowboy
Replied by dieselcowboy on topic D4 7j fuel pressure
I had the cover off of the pump to see the gears moving when I rocked the engine. I assume they are ok. After knocking the plunger out on the work bench I ran a plastic round brush on a drill up in the hole several times. I sure looked clean. Even ran the steel plunger on a soft wire wheel and cleaned it up. Once again this steel plunger had no plastic or rubber tip on it. Unsure if that is correct or not. Just cant seem to make sense of what is or isnt happening here. Wonder if I could plug the plunger hole off completely just for a test and see if it would build pressure. 
In my mind it runs easy and smooth off ether so it should take off once fuel hits the cylinders. 
 

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3 years 5 months ago #227131 by Ray54
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You begin this with, "I had bleed the fuel system", did you use the bleeders on the back side of the pumps or just open the injector lines? I generally open the injector line because it is the easy way (even though it is better to not) , I have had times I spent hours and finally when I open the bleeders on each pump it will run. I am not smart enough to know where the air can get trapped but in running Cat equipment for 50 years have had the handful of times where opening the lines was not enough.

We have seen that a less than perfect plunger will be good enough in most cases, so if you did not use the bleeders before I would do that before looking for a better plunger and transfer pump.

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