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Has anyone applied a spring starter to their tractor?

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2 years 1 month ago #239776 by neil
Hi all, has anyone used a spring starter as a primary or secondary starting method on their D2 or D4? I would like a "stalled at the show" rescue method but don't want to wire up for a second electric starter motor. Just curious because a number of vendors make them in various capacities based on engine displacement and with a range of SAE mounting options. They look quite compact and the ones that I've reviewed enable clocking for the nose, body, and winding mechanism separately. 
 

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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2 years 1 month ago #239800 by juiceman
Neil: please share something with a photo? I am lost at your mention of a "second" electric starter motor. I thought of a "shotshell" starter once, and would do it if it could be adapted to a pony motor.
Dual starting option has been welcomed here. I saw someone once have a starter rigged up to their D6 because the pony was dead, and they left it in place; I was not the first most likely, but having the properly functioning pony engine and a direct electric 12V starting system sure makes life much more pleasant. The pulling of the rope gets old at times, even if the pony starts on the first or second attempt. Perhaps I am getting lazier in old age.
The D2s, D4s and D6s here set up as dual start cost some coin, and not original, but when there is usually only myself to start and move things around, it speeds things up. I swear I can never keep enough gasoline on hand, and the pre start procedure takes up a lot of time.
There have been times where someone has accidentally killed a motor, and a quick re-start is in order!
Like some folks tell me, work smarter, not harder? JM

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2 years 1 month ago #239808 by neil
Something like this JM, www.ipu-starting.com/products/spring-sta...-s30-spring-starter/ , that would be installed where a 24v Delco starter would normally be installed, in addition to the usual pony motor. What I like about it is that it just requires a handle to wind the spring, and then trip the lever to restart the main engine. I thought about getting someone to wind me a Delco at 6v but figured this was a simpler solution, but I don't have any facts and figures to compare with (yet). With the main engine hot and just stalled, it should be easy to start again. On the other hand, if it was hot and easy to start, then a lighter 6v main starter could do the trick. The mind goes round in circles without any hard facts : )

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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2 years 1 month ago #239814 by juiceman
My goodness Neil. Another way to start a tractor hahaha. I have never seen these before. Interesting concept for sure.
Feel free to do one of yours up with the "spring starter" and let us know how you liked it. Those would be kind of neat to try on a pony. Battery poor here. The rope pony D2s that run good here won't get swapped to electric in any manner. JM

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2 years 1 month ago #239833 by neil
I'd be using it on the main engine if I get one for the 5U, which has an electric start pony. Not sure if the belt and/or friction-mounted pony starter pulley would be up to the torque from one of these starters - they're pretty severe when they trip as they're unbounded. My 3J was not electric at all (apart from the magneto) so that's how that will stay for now. Its pony starts very nicely, or did the last time I tried it : ) Those spring starters come in a wide range of sizes for small to large displacement engines. They're quite an old technology as I understand it

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Neil

Pittsford, NY

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2 years 1 month ago #239847 by Deas Plant.
Hi, Folks.
The German manufacturers, Klockner-Humboldt and Deutz, seemed to like 'clockwork' starters. Another German manufacturer, Maybach, seemed to like inertia starters.

'Sproing' starter fitting and operation:





GOTTA LOVE this kid:



Maybach Inertia stater:



Food for thought???????????????????

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.
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2 years 1 month ago #239865 by restore49
Tiger is not a (Spring Starter) Schwungmasse.

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2 years 1 month ago - 2 years 1 month ago #239868 by Deas Plant.
Hi, restore49.
Well, I suggest that you go tell that to the person who posted that video. And did you read the blurb below the video, the bit where it said that the INERTIA starter was the preferred method of starting in cold weather due to batteries being less reliable in those days but that the unit DID have electric starting?????????????????

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.
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2 years 1 month ago #239869 by hfdzl
The Tiger tank is an inertia starter. That is the only one that gives me shivers up and down my spine!

R2 5E3562 SP U.S.A. W.9151
R2 5E3563 SP U.S.A. W.9152

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2 years 1 month ago #239870 by Deas Plant.
Hi, hfdzl.
The tiger had electric starting but it also had the inertia starter for use in cold weather 'coz batteries were not as reliable back during WW2.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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