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D4 7U Hydraulic control valve problem?

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2 years 2 months ago #239054 by tasseltrader
I have a 1953 Cat D4 7U with a pusher blade, control valve and hydraulic lines for an implement in the rear.  It does have  a No. 44  Hydraulic Control that seems to be operating ok, but when I am pushing dirt the hydraulic cylinders fluctuate  independently which causes one side or the other to dig into to the ground while other side is not in the same position. Before attempting to pull/rebuild hydraulic control, which may be beyond a "do it yourselfer's" capacity, I was hoping for advice, suggestions or identifying the cause.
Thanks,
Brian
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2 years 2 months ago #239056 by Old Magnet
More likely to be a problem with the lift cylinder/s than the control valve.
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2 years 2 months ago #239057 by tasseltrader
Thank you for the reply Old Magnet, I thought the same and had both cylinders rebuilt at a cost of around $800.00, but it did not change anything, but on a good note my scarred cylinder rods were replaced. I was hoping there was a defective/ineffective check valve between the two cylinders that failed, but I am having difficulty finding diagrams of all the components in this hydraulic control, or I guess the understanding of it.
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2 years 2 months ago #239058 by Old Magnet
Which cylinders do you have, early or late?
You need this manual for the #44 control.
 

 

 
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2 years 2 months ago #239065 by Glum
If it is a straight blade with a fair amount of slop in the linkages then what you are describing will happen, as the cylinders are somewhat independant of each other due to the slop, and the oil will follow the line of least resistance first.
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2 years 2 months ago #239070 by trainzkid88
we had bushes turned up for the rams because of the play. also is your blade set square ours wasn't and it would dig more one side. you are aware there is a float position on the valve control. are you sure your not putting it in float.

how are the cutting edge worn? turn them over to get extra life if they haven't been turned already. the easiest is blow the nuts off with the hot spanner and fit new bolts they are a standard 5/8 plough bolt cant tell you what length been too long since we did ours. you always want cutting edge below the blade itself. cat still has a listing for the cutting edges.

is the pump making a lot of humm noise if so it may need bleeding which is easy cycle the rams full stroke each way a few times also top off the oil in the reservoir if that makes it better that was the problem. if after bleeding the humm quietens then low oil and entrapped air was the issue. if its really bad or doesnt get better the pump may be worn. parts are available but you need a spare kidney to pay for them. Vickers is now part of Eaton hydraulics. bleeding is basically the same as bleeding the power-steer on your vehicle

what oil are you using?
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2 years 2 months ago #239087 by tasseltrader
It appears that I have the late cylinder on my D4, and thanks for the suggestion as to reference material I will check it out.
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2 years 2 months ago #239088 by Old Magnet
Check for either a 3F or 8F number stamped on the cylinder if your not sure which one.
Both cylinders run off a single circuit in the hydraulic control, sort of either it works or it doesn't.
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2 years 2 months ago #239089 by tasseltrader
The bushings on my cylinders are  in excellent condition with practically no slop at all.  The blade was always square during these operations and the cutting edge is not worn.  Regarding the float position, I was not aware of this position but it was never used during my operations. Lastly, I didn't notice my pump making any humming or odd sounds, but I will pay more attention next use and take your advice on bleeding lines.
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2 years 2 months ago #239090 by tasseltrader
Ok, it is a definitely a later model cylinder because it has an 8F number.  The one important fact I didn't previously mention is that when I am using the blade, I can literally see either one of the cylinders fluctuating in movement of up to 3 inches with any kind of resistance, So, would you put that into the "worn hydraulic control" category? 
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