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D2 4U Injector Leaking Combustion Gases?

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3 years 2 months ago #229678 by Gary Morisoli
Finished rebuilding the 4U,  It runs a little rough so I cracked each nut at the injector pump.  When I open #2 it runs smoother but air is coming out along with the diesel.  When I tighten it up it starts running rough again.  The other nuts when cracked all just put out diesel but no air.  Could  gasses be getting back into the injector?  I can swap injectors to see if things change but wanted to ask before doing anything.  All new injectors and Precomps.  Thanks for advice, Gary

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3 years 2 months ago #229679 by Old Magnet
Go ahead and rotate the nozzle to another cylinder.
If it still leaks combustion air it is either a bad nozzle or the nozzle isn't seating in the chamber.

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3 years 2 months ago #229680 by Gary Morisoli
Thank you OM. I will do that and report back.

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3 years 2 months ago #229685 by Gary Morisoli
Hi OM, I did some experimenting and here are my observations. #2 was the problem so I changed to a new nozzle, no luck. Changed to new adapter with new nozzle, no luck. I swapped precomps from 2-1 and problem followed to #1. I am wondering if I don't tighten the nozzle to the adapter, maybe 1/4-1/2 turn will it seat better? the precomp is a 1S1970 that has been modified to 1"x12 pitch. No bubbles in radiator. Any Ideas? Thanks, Gary

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3 years 2 months ago #229691 by Gary Morisoli
Here are links to two videos.


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3 years 2 months ago #229692 by Old Magnet
Appears there is a seating problem with #2 pre-com chamber.
Nozzles should only be screwed on finger tight.
Maximum torque for the nozzle assembly is 100 ft-lbs. Any tighter can distort the nozzle.
Check the pre-com nozzle seat, may have a burr or piece of foreign matter that is preventing sealing.
Looks like you may be needing a new chamber.

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3 years 2 months ago #229695 by bcwayne
Because you're using D4 chambers modified to fit a D2, the bottom of the chamber needs to be chamfered... yours may have been done, but not quite enough.

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3 years 2 months ago #229696 by Gary Morisoli
Problem solved I think....
I think they were done correctly but I will keep that in mind.
I changed nozzles, Again. 3rd new nozzle worked. Tight to 100#. The others I just tightened as much as possible with 1/2" ratchet. It's working now on phase 3 of break in procedure (light load at 3/4 speed)
Thank You Very Much OM for your ideas. Gary

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3 years 2 months ago - 3 years 2 months ago #229699 by Old Magnet
As tight as possible with a 1/2" ratchet???
Why not proper torque on them all?
Sounds pretty good in your video.
I'm pretty sure all the nozzles are sourced from the land of "almost right" no matter who you get them from. Seems common to have to sort through a batch to get them right.
Last edit: 3 years 2 months ago by Old Magnet.
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3 years 2 months ago #229701 by Gary Morisoli
Hi OM,
I did not read the service mans book on the nozzles at 100#. I will go back and check again.
When reading the book to confirm the 100# on nozzles, I noticed on page 100 it says precomps to 200#, then on page 143 it says 150#.
Your thoughts?
Thanks,
Gary

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