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D2 Pony Rebuild

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3 years 5 months ago #226928 by Will_D2
D2 Pony Rebuild was created by Will_D2
Looking for some advice from those with more experience than myself, I'm currently overhauling my starting engine on my 5J D2, I'm having the crank turned to 20 thou undr at my local machine shop so will be installing new main bearnings into the block. The problem will come when it's time to put them in as I'm not sure how is the crank endplay meant to be set?
As far as I understand it comes from the main bearing position when are then held by the dowels. Can someone help clarify and make sure I understand for putting the engine back together again?

All the best,
William
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3 years 5 months ago #226932 by neil
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Your understanding is correct Will. As well as that, it's valuable to ensure that the crank rod journals are centered in the cylinder bores. There's not a lot of leeway anyway but I had my guy verify that. The good news is that if it's not right, you can drill and ream new dowels holes to correct any discrepancy.
What you can do is start by installing the bearings undoweled and install the crank without the gear or flywheel, the flywheel end cover with gasket and torque the bolts, then, depending on how you like to do it, center the rod journals with the bores, then bring the two dowels in to within half the minimum end clearance each, and mark the bearings through the dowel holes so you know where to drill. I think the service reference might state the drill size and then you finish ream the hole so the dowel is a press fit (e.g. doesn't drop in but you need to lightly tap it in). Some folks put a thin smear of epoxy on the dowel to help with retention. I didn't but that's partly because I used a different clearance method, which was described by a forum member many years ago. That method doesn't rely on the bearing position for clearance. Instead, the crank ends and the two faces that face the crank ends are milled and a bronze washer of the appropriate width to maintain clearance is installed, one on each end. It costs a bit more but removes the vulnerability of relying on the dowels to maintain the clearance because there's more clearance between the bearings and the crank than between the washers and the faces. When the tractor is clunking around the field, the pony crank is banging backwards and forwards, unlike when it's running funnily enough, and so those dowels are constantly being beaten on. Eventually, they'll loosen up.

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Neil

Pittsford, NY
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3 years 5 months ago #226946 by edb
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hi team,I have written on this many times before but the idiot search on here will not let me find them--it brings up someone elses post with a reference to part of my posts but with no pix.
I give up*&^%$#@!

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3 years 5 months ago #226947 by edb
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Hi Team,
the end play is set by the length of the front or drive gear end of the crankshaft pony main bearing, which is supplied semi-finished from Cat and so needs to be machined to length to suit the application before pressing it into the pony block.

The distance of the space between the crank web and the shoulder at the end of the crank, where the drive gear and oil slinger butt up to, needs to be measured and the bearing machined to give the 0.010" to 0.015" specified end play.
As described above others have utilised thrust/spacer washers at each side main journals to achieve the same end play after some machining of components.
Search again will not allow me to find these descriptions by others with photos attached.
Eddie B.
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3 years 5 months ago #226948 by neil
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Hi Eddie, tell me what search terms you used, and specifically what you expected to find (like thread name if you have it or a description of the list of threads that "should" result). I'll check what I get and then go to IT to see what the deal is. One search type that I'd like is "threads I started" which the current search engine doesn't have.

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Neil

Pittsford, NY
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3 years 5 months ago #226966 by trainzkid88
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 When the tractor is clunking around the field, the pony crank is banging backwards and forwards, unlike when it's running funnily enough, and so those dowels are constantly being beaten on. Eventually, they'll loosen up.



a old farmer and mechanical genius, cecil built his own dc welder and rebuilt a large portable steam engine by himself among other things inc a holt 2ton. told dad and I to make a couple of timber wedges to support the flywheel of the pony when its not running for that exact reason it would also prevent the crank walking through the bottom of the block he also said make sure to put a jam tin over the exhuasts when parking the machine or have working rain flaps or you will dust your main motor as the pony exhuast is only thin tube and runs through the intake manifold and rusts out easily.
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3 years 5 months ago #226981 by edb
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Hi Neil,
I used the full overly long title "Some Small Horizontal Starting Engine Quirks" and then parts of the title along with my handle "edb" as the original poster or however you wish to describe me--I can sort of fix most Cats but confusers are "black magic" or "smoke and mirrors" to me.


Some Small Horizontal Starting Engine Quirks --this is a copy and paste from the post by someone else where this shows up down the page--problem is I cannot get to the original post I did that is on its own if that makes sense--maybe thinking about it today is because it was on the old BB.
Maybe stuff is still being transferred over from the old BB ??
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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3 years 5 months ago #226983 by neil
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Thanks Eddie, I'll start checking into it to see why it's not pulling up

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY
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3 years 5 months ago #227117 by Will_D2
Replied by Will_D2 on topic D2 Pony Rebuild
Hi,

Thanks for the help, first time into a starting engine and I'm only 20 so do rely and appreciate the help and knowledge from those more experience than I am, bearings are ordered so hopefully will be able to get them fitted soon. Might be a silly question but is there a specific torque that the flywheel cover bolts get tighten to or is just done up as tight as I can? Can't see it stated in my service manual.

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Will
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3 years 5 months ago #227128 by Fat Dan
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hi team,I have written on this many times before but the idiot search on here will not let me find them--it brings up someone elses post with a reference to part of my posts but with no pix.
I give up*&^%$#@!
 

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