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1941 Cat 212 1R D3400 Grader, Hunts at idle.

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4 years 1 month ago #220739 by invisabledog
Had this problem since I got it. Diesel hunts at idle and hard start when cold. I've rebuild the fuel pump and adjusted the injector pumps. Checked for play and adjusted governor linkage. It also blows the oil out of the diesel oil bath air cleaner, when running. Since the pony exhaust is routed through the diesel intake, I'm convinced the pony exhaust is bypassing into the intake, causing the oil to be blown out of the air cleaner. Could the exhaust gases of the pony be causing the hard start? Starts right up when hot. Could a crack or hole, internally in the manifold, be causing the hunt at idle? The manifold shows signs of previous repairs.

955H 60A
212 grader 1R
Farmall Super A
Ford 4000 Industrial w/backhoe & loader
1947 CJ2A
1950 CJ3A
1962 WM300 Power Wagon
Hit & Miss Engines

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4 years 1 month ago #220742 by ccjersey
The hunting is just worn governor components........ A fact of life with old machines. If you don’t want it to do that usually raising the low idle setting 50 or 100 rpm will damp it out. It’s an easy test, just open the throttle slightly and see if the hunting stops.

I expect the hard starting when cold is normal or rather to be expected with old worn engines. It’s certainly what I see with EVERY diesel I own. The fuel injection adjustments are a great idea, but can not compensate for wear in the cylinders, pistons and rings.

The pony exhaust leaking into the diesel intake should not interfere with starting the main because the main turning over is drawing in plenty of fresh air.

Blowing out oil from the air cleaner is not normal. Only time I’ve ever seen that is when pull starting with transmission in wrong gear combination and engine was actually turning backwards. I wonder if you have a restriction in the exhaust manifold or muffler (does it have one?). That way you would get some back pressure and possibly make the flow reverse through the metal wool packing. Could some of the removable screens in the air cleaner be missing? I’ve seen some badly restricted manifolds that you could hardly get a finger through the restriction formed by carbon accumulation.

The leaking pony exhaust heat exchanger tube through the diesel intake is a potential engine killer as it is a place for dust to be sucked into the diesel during operation. It doesn’t take much of a leak to “dust” an engine. On modern engines it’s typically something as simple as a loose clamp holding a piece of hose on an intake pipe. We place a lot of confidence in a $2 clamp to protect an engine worth manu thousands of $. You should be able to block off intake and exhaust stacks on the diesel and run the pony to confirm or refute the possibility of a leaking heat exchanger tube.

D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time:D

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4 years 1 month ago #220761 by edb
Replied by edb on topic Oil Out Of Air Cleaner
Hi Team,
this condition likely due to leaking--sticky, bent, inlet valve.
I have also encountered an engine that had an exhaust valve with excessive lash clearance or not opening at all, this is usually coupled with a banging noise in the inlet manifold as trapped cylinder pressure, not exhausted via the exhaust valve, blows back into the inlet manifold when the inlet valve opens.
Similar symptoms can also be from an exhaust valve with a bent push rod not opening fully.
Cheers,
Eddie B.

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4 years 1 month ago #220780 by invisabledog
Thanks for the answers, so far. Gives me some things to check. I have been over the governor linkage in relation to the hunting/surging and haven't found any wear. All the linkages and pins are tight. This was an ex military machine and doesn't have it's original engine. The engine seems in much better shape than the rest of the machine. I'm in the process of changing tires(an adventure in itself) when that is done, I'm going to look into the manifold and oil blow out. The air filter for the diesel is in good shape and all there. I had it apart and cleaned it, when I first got the machine and it doesn't have much time on it. I can't remember if I adjusted the valves when I did the injector timing. I'll have to look into that.

955H 60A
212 grader 1R
Farmall Super A
Ford 4000 Industrial w/backhoe & loader
1947 CJ2A
1950 CJ3A
1962 WM300 Power Wagon
Hit & Miss Engines

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