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D2 3J donkey engine

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4 years 3 months ago #218350 by caterpillarsam
Hello again all

Got another joyful question for you,
I have had my crankshaft ground so I’m of course going to use undersize bearings
BUT
do I also need to use undersize crankshaft seals?
If so I will need part numbers etc

On a side note, I imagine I am not the only one looking forward to watching squatch253 start building a donkey engine for his 5J

D2 3J
WW2 Huber three wheel road roller (D3400 engine)
1937 Twenty Two
Cat SCOTE engine
Allen Oxford drawbar grader
1944 D7 4T1154
D8 8R
1956 David Brown 25C
1954 DW-15 scraper 45C653

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4 years 3 months ago #218356 by neil
Replied by neil on topic D2 3J donkey engine
Great question - when I did both of mine (5U and 3J pony engines), I didn't think about the seal size so I'm glad you pulled up this question. Mine are 030 I think but they don't leak and have the standard Cat part # seals in them

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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4 years 3 months ago #218358 by caterpillarsam
Replied by caterpillarsam on topic D2 3J donkey engine

Great question - when I did both of mine (5U and 3J pony engines), I didn't think about the seal size so I'm glad you pulled up this question. Mine are 030 I think but they don't leak and have the standard Cat part # seals in them


Hmm interesting, i will definitely make a note of that.
Hopefully someone on this group will be able to shed more light on the topic

Are the U donkeys any different to the J donkeys? Obviously things like electric start

D2 3J
WW2 Huber three wheel road roller (D3400 engine)
1937 Twenty Two
Cat SCOTE engine
Allen Oxford drawbar grader
1944 D7 4T1154
D8 8R
1956 David Brown 25C
1954 DW-15 scraper 45C653

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4 years 3 months ago #218369 by Fat Dan
Replied by Fat Dan on topic D2 3J donkey engine
Thanks great info to know

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955E 12A08263; 955C 12A04040; 955C 12A03563.
No.12 Diesel Motor Grader 8T14777.
No.12 Diesel Motor Grader 9K9320

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4 years 3 months ago #218377 by BillWalter
Replied by BillWalter on topic Undersize seal???
Take the spring out of seal, unwind the spring, cut off a couple of rounds of seal, then screw the seal back together. This will tighten the seal around the shaft a little tighter.

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4 years 3 months ago #218380 by Mike Meyer
Replied by Mike Meyer on topic D2 3J donkey engine
Exact same basic donkey motor, just subtle changes to the bolt on stuff like upper manifold and heads over the years and models, none of the Parts Number books lists a seal for undersize cranks to go with the undersize bearings, so I assume Cat didn't think it necessary.

If you were running the pilot motor 8 hours a day I'd be concerned, but generally they are lucky to run 15 minutes max, most times 5 minutes, can't figure much oil could be lost in that time past the seals.

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4 years 3 months ago #218392 by neil
Replied by neil on topic D2 3J donkey engine
I agree Mike. I have not put any oil in my ponies since the initial set of runs after rebuilding (first start, flush, couple of runs, another flush and done) and they're about halfway down the stick. I can't see any leakage on the flywheel end seal. Who knows about the other end but the pinion chamber has not gone up at least.

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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4 years 3 months ago #218393 by restore49
Replied by restore49 on topic D2 3J donkey engine
Somewhere I have a book with seal sizes .

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