Hello all, I have an issue with water in the oil of my 951C 86J with 3304 engine. I wasn’t sure if I should have started a new thread or added to one of the others about this issue. I have searched forums and gotten some good ideas on diagnosing this, but now I am at a loss. Sorry for the long post, but this thing has me stumped and wanted to supply as much information as I could to the best of my memory in the order I did things.
• Changed oil, had a bit of a grey color to it, noted to self to keep an eye on engine oil for possible trouble.
• Drained coolant, no oil was present, but it was thinned down looking. Removed plug from block, last bit of coolant was a little dirty. New coolant added. I noticed the next day coolant was a little low and figured it was air pockets working their way out. Decided I would wait till I had run it a little bit and then re-check and top off.
• Machine sat for about a month with just some intermittent running while I removed both track frames and replaced recoil spring, track adjuster, removed broken track frame mounting bolts and rebuilt hydraulic cylinders….all went well.
• Ran the machine for about an hour to check and top off new transmission fluid change, top off hydraulic fluid and drove a few hundred yards to check that everything in the tracks were working properly.
• Few days later I checked the coolant level, was very low, could not see coolant level in radiator. I cracked the oil drain plug and yikes, out came almost 2 gallons of nice bright green coolant. I then drained the radiator and block to try and salvage what coolant I could. The coolant was clean with no oil in it.
• Drained the oil after most of the coolant came out, the oil was still “clean” and had not appeared to have mixed well with the coolant to get a grey or chocolate milk color.
• Dropped the oil pan sump (plate is still in place) and filled cooling system with water, no obvious leaks found. Installed pressure tester on the filler neck were the pressure relief cap goes, noticed the large filler neck was leaking air even after making sure it was tight, the rubber gasket was not in good shape so I don’t think the machine was ever building up pressure in the coolant system. This would probably explain why when I went and looked at the machine before buying and I removed the cap to check for air bubbles in the radiator there was no pressure even though the machine was well warmed up. I could not ever get the hand pump pressure tester to keep a good seal so I removed it, installed the radiator pressure relief cap and piped in compressed air to one of the spare ports on the water pump I used a local regulator, shut-off valve and 0-15 psi gauge . Still no signs of a leak with 15 psi. Removed pressure and gave up for the day.
• Was looking like this may be a really slow leak that may be hard to find and since there were still green coolant drops showing up the every now and then I decided to drain the water and mixed up some blue dye in fresh water and added back to the system to try and distinguish what was residual and what may actually be the leak. Pressurized the system to 14 psi and crawled back underneath…nothing, checked every few hours…still nothing coming out of oil pan area. Removed the injectors and turned motor over with the starter, nothing blew out of the injector holes. Removed the cover on the back of the water pump, nothing. Removed valve cover…nothing. Removed oil filter...nothing. I had used the shut off valve and disconnected supply air to see if it would hold pressure, held fine for several hours before I called it quits for the day. It has been holding pressure for 3 days now, varying up and down a couple psi depending on the ambient temperature.
I did notice right before I discovered this problem that there was some black nasty liquid that had dripped out of the weep hole in the muffler and onto the manifold and could see some dampness in the exhaust manifold after removing the muffler. It does not have the sweet smell of coolant and there was no visible steam coming out of the exhaust stack. Not sure if this is related or not.
Is it possible that the leak will only rear its ugly head when the engine is running because of some force or vibration? Any help is greatly appreciated!
-Ed